It would be hard to find any new movies/cartoons that don’t fit into the pattern. Another site I found says: “Christopher Vogler worked on Disney movies and used Joseph Campbell’s ideas to help create stories.” (http://library.thinkquest.org/03oct/00800/journey.htm)

Christopher Vogler even wrote a book called “THE WRITER’S JOURNEY: Mythic Structure for Writers” (http://www.thewritersjourney.com/) and acts as a story consultant to Hollywood studios.

I could probably release many podcasts just going through and analyzing different movies.

I’m glad you liked the show! Now if I could find time to do another one

I thoroughly enjoyed your essay. It’ll make watching all of the other cartoons more palatable.

Is there a Disney/Pixar or Dreamworks movie that fit the pattern?

Best of Luck with your paper, I’d like to read it when your done!

- Gregory

thanks

I’ve been working on it all day. It is coming soon, meaning tonight!

Thanks again

Lia

Thanks, Greg

I certainly agree that old fairy tales can be scary or violent. The troll story that I remember best from my childhood is “Gutten som kappåt med trollet” or “Askeladden som kappåt med trollet” (Askeladden is a common character in Norwegian fairy tales), very badly translated is something like “The boy who had an eating contest with the troll”. The fairy tales boils down to Askeladden (the boy) challenging the troll to an eating contest. Askeladden fools the troll by hiding a sack under his clothing and putting most of his food in the sack. When the sack is full Askeladden pretends to stab himself in the stomach (but really stabs the sack), he encourages the troll to do the same. As you mentioned the intelligence of trolls isn’t high, so you can pretty much guess what happens next. If you happen to speak Norwegian here is a link to that fairy tale: http://norsknettskole.no/fag/ressurser/itstud/fuv/siritorstensen/askeladden.htm

On this subject I feel I should mention the artwork by Theodor Kittelsen. He’s famous for his fairy tale illustrations here in Norway. http://folk.ntnu.no/ongstad/Meg/Kunst/Theodor%20Kittelsen/Theodor%20Kittelsen.html If you follow the link that says “Troll-tegninger” you’ll see various troll drawings by him. I also love his drawings of Pesta (literally means She-plague). http://folk.ntnu.no/ongstad/Meg/Kunst/Theodor%20Kittelsen/Svartedauen/Pesta%20i%20trappen.html During the Black Plague Pesta was seen as the dead incarnate. She carried with her a broom and a rake. If she used the rake when she visited a home some people where allowed to live, but if she used the broom all life was swept up.

I look forward to hearing their review and incorporating their feedback. Fair warning - This is the last show I recorded before buying my new ZOOM H4. I have recorded some Myth Minutes since the purchase but it hasn’t made its showing on this feed, yet.

Thanks!

Welcome to the show and the great suggestions! I’ll add them to this list for the future shows.

I had one thing about the use of mythical characters in the book discussed. In it, Mur say(I haven’t heard the book yet) that Anubis
eats the heavy souls. I know of 5 huge characters that over see the judgement of the soul. Thoth who weighs it, Osiris and his son Horus who oversees it,
Anubis who guards and guides it(egyptian reaper)and finally the one who actually eats heavy souls-Ammit the hippo/crocodile/lion.

I also had one request: Being that I’m in Hawaii, born there live there through my current eighteen years of life- I was wondering if you might do a showcase on some of those mythos. The big four(HI version of big three in greek) Kane(Kon-neh), Ku, Kanaloa, and Lono or even the over hyped about legendary Pele who is one of the most famous secodary gods(daughter of Haumea(supreme mother godess) and Kane(HI incarnation of Zues) and all her pantheon of brothers and sisters.

I just want to let you know how much I enjoyed listening to this episode and how eager I am now to subscribe to the Heaven podcast.

As for your show, I’m looking forward to start listening to some episodes entirely dedicated to Egyptian and Celtic Mythology. Are you planing something soon on these topics? Sorry to ask you for this, Greg, for I know this is a big challenge and your free time is probably scarce!

Your faithfull listener

Antonio

Lisbon, Portugal

It’s to the point that I’d rather podcast than play a game.

I agree that it is not good to lower women to symbols, but to be fair, the steps of apotheosis and reconciliation with the father uses men/gods as symbols as well. I made a point to included the story of Psyche in the essay as an example of a heroine who has her own journey.

I completely agree that Harry Potter is great regardless of it’s similarities to the Hero’s journey. I used it as it is a popular story today that most people know. I wanted to show that this monomyth stuff is for all ages, not just ancient ones.

I like the troll/ogre question. I’ll put that in the queue.

Thanks!

Thanks for this wonderful podcast. I’m an aspiring librarian and it’s wonderful to be able to combine education relevant to my future job and podcasts. My suggestion to a show topic would be beauty and the beast. Also I have been wondering about the difference between a troll and an ogre. Here (in Norway) they’re always referred to as trolls (though it’s of course pronounced differently in Norwegian than in English). I’ve heard troll used in English as well, but until the movie Shrek I’d never heard the expression ogre.

It’s been a long week…

Let’s hear it for taking the best from the stories and myths that have shaped our cultures and society. I once heard that cultures are judged by how they care for their dead. Perhaps we can change that to how we treat and educate the living instead.

1) Norse mythology
2) wiccan mythology
3) celtic/irish mythology
4) mayan mythology

And this isn’t so much a topic idea as overall suggestion, but there’s tons of info on Greek/Roman mythology out in the world, and most US schoolkids are taught it through several grades, so we’ve heard it. I’d love to see you focus less on it and more on other cultures that aren’t as heavily covered. But that’s my personal take.

I got the feeling from the podcast that you prefer myth to fairy tale. Personal preference is absolutely valid, I don’t question that. I was just wondering if perhaps discussing that here or in the forums when they return wouldn’t be constructive.

I am always searching the web and itunes pod-casts for info about mythology and especially, the hero’s quest. I listened to your pod-cast and became very interested, and I really hope you will discuss a lot of different hero path topics: what he does and how we can find this path back in our daily life; how this path works in novels and movies.

I am studying at the moment the book The Writer’s Journey, by Vogler. It is based of-course on the work by Joseph Cambell and very nice reading.

My interest in this subject is because I am trying to use it in my writings. I wrote to novels till now, two children-books, and am woriing on a third one. Using the Path of the Hero in them is a real challenge!

Anyway, keep on going, I am waiting for your next pod-cast.

greetings,
André